Driving to Calgary (in Calgary)

We stayed at our cousin’s place in AirDrie as he and his wife are both retired. We arrived at around 8pm on September the 18th. cousin Eddie was kind enough to slap something simple for us to eat. His rendition of the soya sauce based ribs was perfect with the steam rice that I had. At this point on the road trip, I have not had any rice for many, many days!

The next day we went to the CrossIron Mills Mall in Airdrie. This gives an opportunity for the girls to do some shopping while I can charge at the Tesla Supercharger that is located around the parking lots of the mall. When I got to the mall, I was surprised that it was full, and I had to queue up for a charge. After waiting for about 30 minutes, I got a stall that only gave me about 29kW. This was the slowest super charger experience yet on our road trip. The Flo fast DC charger that were next to the super chargers was faster, giving us 50kW. To make the experience worst, upon a thorough research, this was the only super charger station near Calgary! Anyone planning to drive to Calgary with a Tesla should be advised to get their vehicle charged up prior to entering the city. I gave up with the super chargers, and decided to just charge our Tesla at our cousin’s house at a measly 1kW. This means one day of plug in will only give us about 30% of charge. We didn’t do a lot of driving around town, so this worked as long as we leave the car plugged in all the time.

On the 19th, we went to cousin Rob’s place for dinner. He and his wife cooked a superb meal for us. The meat was tender and delicious, and the dinner rolls were like candy. After one, you immediately want another. It was good to catch up with them.

On the 20th, Eddie’s wife made some wonderful blueberry pancakes for us with accompanying bacon and sausages. This meal was a carb bonanza! The pancakes tasted better than my wife’s cooking. I made sure that she got the recipe. On the same evening, we went to the Modern Steak restaurant. Even though it was a steak house, and I had the Black Angus Filet, the most memorable for me were the oysters on the sea food platter. The crème brûlée also imprinted a lasting impression in my mind.

On the 21st, we woke up with some delicious pastries from La Table Haute Pastry in Airdrie. These were compliments from our cousin’s daughter and her husband. What left a real impression was the delightful almond croissant. There are no words to describe its taste. For me it was heavenly and perhaps even life changing!

Later on, we drove downtown and visited Shiki Menya Ramen for a late brunch. I had the squid ink soup, and its special savoury flavour made me want to just breathe in the ramen. Their portion was large enough that we were all stuffed. Their gyoza were also very tasty. However, in the end I had an after taste of garlic and a dying thirst for the rest of the day.

We had walk off our fullness at the Market Mall and a short visit to a local Costco for some light shopping. The garlicky flavour was alleviated by another helping of pastry from La Table when we got home. That same night we had another get together with Rob and his wife at the The Nash. It was another great opportunity to be with good company and enjoy some excellent food, especially my lamb shoulder that was cooked to perfection.

On our final full day in Calgary, the 22nd, we took our drone out to do some flying around Eddie’s gorgeous neighbourhood that was surrounded by canals lined with parallel walking paths. We use those same paths, to frequent a local Crumbl Cookies. These cookies were packed with sugar, excellent for an apocalyptic sugar rush. On our last evening in Calgary we had a super delicious meal at Ferraro Truly Italian. I had a spaghetti dish, but the pizza appetizer was out of this world. They made all their pasta and dough fresh when ordered.

This morning we bid our farewell to Calgary and our cousins on the morning of the 23rd as we head out Banff to checkout some of god’s fine landscaping. We really, really appreciated and grateful for both of our cousins to be able to share their time and residence with us. The time that we had was memorable and both Carol and I were glad that we made the trip out here to Calgary.

It is too bad that we have to make our U-Turn here, and not Vancouver or Victoria on Vancouver Island, as we must make our way back to Toronto for a wedding in October. Sorry cousin Melissa for not be able to make a visit this time around. I am pretty sure there will be a next time though.

Here is a video curated and edited by Carol on the four days that we spent in Calgary.

Driving to Calgary (Moose Jaw to Calgary)

While at Moose Jaw, we stayed at Temple Gardens Hotel & Spa. Carol did a dip in the hot springs pool and she claimed that the mineral water really helped her psoriasis. The morning breakfast buffet was delicious along with the accompanying, friendly service.

After breakfast, we visited the Tunnels of Moose Jaw, before heading off on our final leg to Calgary. There were three tunnel tours, but we picked the one associated with the Cold War. The 45 minutes guided tour brings you back to the 1950’s of the Cold War era where facilities in Moose Jaw was used to trained NATO and 5 EYES spies. They also talked about how the Canadian government at that time surveil social (leftest) politicians from Saskatchewan thinking that they were potential communist spies.

Our final drive to Calgary was largely uneventful other than that Medicine Hat was a much bigger town than I original thought. The final charging stop was in the middle of nowhere with just an accompanying Subway restaurant. At each charging stop, three in total on this trip, our new Windex cleaning process seems to be working with the bug infested windshields.

Just as we approach the outskirts of Calgary, the sky opened up as if the city was rolling out the “yellow carpet” for us. Check out the stunning pictures below.

As a bonus the car was washed with heavy rain fall just before reaching the city boundary.

Below is Carol’s video of the day:

Driving to Calgary (Winnipeg to Moose Jaw)

This morning we had another Tim Horton’s breakfast with a 7am rise and setting out at around 8:30am after a 30min charge near the Tesla Superchargers at Polo mall.

I had to take a little detour to pick up a used stereo amplifier that I purchased, the SMSL DA9. I was looking for a balanced XLR input amplifier for my bedroom and this came up on Canuck Audio Mart. Hopefully it will sound good, but I will not be able to test it until I get home at the end of the month.

The above pickup was about a 30 minute detour, but we had beautiful weather for our 6 hours drive to Moose Jaw. The straight roads, clear skies, and Tesla Auto Pilot made the journey pleasant and relaxing.

There was an interesting Co-op stop in the middle of nowhere at Whitewood, Saskatchewan.

About 50 km from Moose Jaw, the Tesla auto wipers started to act up. I think it is the dead bugs build up on the windshield, and disoriented the front cameras that doubles as the rain sensor. I will have to wash the windscreen tomorrow morning before we set out again.

Another thing I noticed is that Saskatchewan highways had the speed markers too far to the right of the road. In a few cases, the Tesla failed to pickup the speed limit which was 110 kph, it instead erroneously assumed 80 kph. This impacted the cruise control until I applied a 30 kph offset in the Auto Pilot menu. If I did not have this offset, the car will revert back to 80 kph and I will be experiencing phantom breaking when cruising at 120 kph. Of course, this is a bit dangerous if there is a car following you too closely.

We had a nice Chinese dinner at James Chinese Restaurant, which is about a 5 minutes walk from our hotel. The food was okay, and when you are hungry, anything tastes good. Nonetheless, I will go back again.

After dinner we took a nice stroll towards Crescent Park. Here are some photos that we took.

Tomorrow we are going to visit the Tunnels of Moose Jaw, and then straight on to Calgary. We were going to goto Edmonton, but I think we’ll hit Edmonton on the way back, the same with Regina.

Carol’s video of the day is below.

Driving to Calgary (Thunder Bay to Winnipeg)

Today’s drive is our longest yet. We checked out of our AirBnB, and proceeded to a charge station to top up or batteries. This took about 30 minutes. Afterwards, we helped ourselves to a bagel breakfast to go at Tim Hortons. We ended up starting our journey at around 7am.

Today we actually crossed time zones from Eastern to Central, so we actually gained an hour.

The drive was uneventful and we are learning to stop at Supercharging stations at towns or cities with big populations so that there is either a Walmart or some big restaurant row.

There are two things which I find are critical assets for these long drives. The first is a good audio book, and the second is Tesla’s Autopilot / Auto Steering features. Both of these make the hours go by quick.

As usual, Carol’s video of the day gives a better experience than my wordy blog here.

Day 5: Thunder Bay to Winnipeg

Driving to Calgary (Sault Ste. Marie to Thunder Bay)

Last night we stayed at the Quattro Hotel in Sault Ste. Marie. I really liked this hotel. Carol got her swimming in using their indoor pool, and we also got some laundry done with their guest laundry facilities. The place also came with complimentary breakfasts with real eggs and sausages!

We started our drive at 11am to Thunder Bay. The first half of the trip was met with beautiful weather. Northern Ontario has some really nice sceneries. We also got a bonus view, with some of the trees already changing into their fall colours.

The second half of the drive was pretty dangerous. It got super foggy on the highway, and we could not see more than 30 to 50 meters in front of us. It was like this for about 300 km. At our last charging stop, we had to use the GPS to guide us to get there.

After about three charge stops and numerous washroom breaks, at around 8pm we finally arrived at Thunder Bay. To our disappointment, most restaurants closed at 9pm here, so we settled for something simple, like McDonald’s for dinner.

Tonight we are staying at another AirBnB place. A very nice one bedroom suite with our own washroom. The host, Dawna was very nice and waited for our arrival. The room has a very “family” feel to it. It is as though we are staying with relatives.

Tomorrow, we plan to start early to Winnipeg.

Carol’s video is worth a million of my words, so here it is.

Day 4: Driving from Sault Ste. Marie to Thunder Bay

Driving to Calgary (Sault Ste. Marie)

Looking out from the bow of the ferry from Tobermory to South Baymouth

Today we began or journey to Sault Ste. Marie. We start from Tobermory by hopping on the Chi-Cheemaun Ferry. The ferry ride itself accommodates mostly vehicles, such as cars, motorbikes, various recreational vehicles, vans, etc. I was impressed at how many vehicles it was able to carry in a single trip. There must have been 40 to 50 vehicles easily.

Driving into the ferry was also interesting, as there is two levels. The main level for vehicles that require extra height and motorbikes. The second level consists of mostly regular cars and SUV’s.

The ends of the ferry opens up to allow the vehicles through

The ferry took us to South Baymouth where we had our first road trip incident with our Tesla Model Y. Because the car was transported with the ferry, it lost its GPS position and had to reacquire the signal when we get off the ferry. Well, that is how it is suppose to work. The GPS signal was acquired, but the software map on the main dash failed to update the “current position”.

We tried the following to no avail:

  • Rebooting the dash;
  • Powering off and on with both a 3 minutes and 5 minutes wait;
  • Called Tesla support and they suggested the same with a final recommendation to drive to a Tesla Service Centre!

I am totally blown away that such a software glitch can exists on a Tesla. The fix probably just require a recycling of the GPS module. Unfortunately, there is no user-friendly way of doing this.

We gave up on our troubleshooting and drove from South Baymouth to Sault Ste. Marie without the Tesla navigation app. This is more of a handicap than I thought. The car fails to precondition the battery when we arrive at the supercharger so it takes a little longer to charge. We also miss the mapping functionality that tells us the locations of the on-route superchargers and how many were available. Good old Waze on our iPhone to the rescue, and some manual range calculations.

When we arrived at our hotel at Sault Ste. Marie, and with the help of the hotel Internet, I finally “risked” a software update on our Tesla. I had to use my iPhone’s personal hotspot and download the new software update for the Tesla. With fingers crossed and 30 minutes of unwanted and undesirable anxiety, the update downloaded successfully. Another bare knuckles 30 minutes wait, we were rewarded with a correct map and location on the dash once more!

The moral of the story is, when taking a long road trip, DO NOT transport the Tesla other than under its own power. Lesson learned! Those who are planning on taking a road trip, I highly recommend that you avoid ferries and trains that can transport your Tesla.

Tomorrow, we are off to Thunder Bay with a functional navigation system again.

Here is Carol’s video for the day.

Day 3: Taking the ferry to South Baymouth and on towards Sault Ste. Marie

Driving to Calgary

Yesterday we started our journey to Calgary. Our first stop is Tobermory where we plan to checkout the Flowerpot Island and do some hiking on the Bruce Trails.

Charging at Owen Sound

We started our journey at around 1pm. The drive is quite relaxing especially with Auto Steer enabled with our Tesla Model Y. We stopped at Owen Sound’s Walmart to get some supplies and did a quick charge before proceeding to Tobermory. We wanted to have lots of battery capacity when we arrive at Tobermory because we were not sure if we can charge there. By the time we came back to our car from Walmart, the car charged from 55% to 87%. We continue our drive to Tobermory.

When we arrived to Tobermory, we had about 65% battery left. This should be enough, but out of curiosity we discovered there was fast charging available by ChargeQuest at the Tobermory Community Centre. For fun, we charged it back up to 80%. At Owen Sound, we paid $12.37 for 25.79kWh ($0.48/kWh), and at Tobermory with ChargeQuest we paid $6.58 for 14.29kWh ($0.46/kWh), which took 17 minutes. It looks like the rates are more or less the same.

We booked an AirBnB about 1.5km South of town. Our host Susan, was very responsive. The place was really nice and both Carol and I really enjoyed our two night stay there. I personally love the huge and spacious bathroom. The weather was kind of cool, so we did not make use of the large backyard or the patio. Check this place out if you are looking for a spot to stay in Tobermory.

As mentioned earlier we wanted to visit the Flowerpot Island, but when we found out the prices, we decided to forgo this idea. Below are the prices from Blue Heron Cruises.

Prices for two adults to Flowerpot Island – Drop Off Cruise

Instead we just went to the Fathom Five National Marine Park for a 4km hike along its trail. Below are some photos we took along the way.

So getting back to the Flowerpot Island, the photo below is taken from the shores of the hiking trail, and it is as close to the island we got. Not a total loss!

We sighted Flowerpot Island!

Tomorrow (September, 14) we will be taking the MS Chi-Cheemaun ferry to South Baymouth and onto Sault Ste. Marie!

Below are the lovely video summaries that Carol has made for our first two days of travel.

Day 1: From Richmond Hill to Tobermory
Day 2: Adventures in Tobermory

Experimental Machine for AI

The advent of the Large Language Model (LLM) is in full swing within the tech community since the debut of ChatGPT by openAI. Platforms such as Google Colab, and similar variants from Amazon and Facebook allows software developer to experiment with LLM’s. The hosted model of the data center based GPU’s makes training and refinement of LLM’s tolerable.

What about using LLM on a local computer away from the cloud?

Projects such as llama.cpp by Georgi Gerganov makes it possible to run the Facebook open sourced Llama 2 model on a single MacBook. The existence of llama.cpp gives hope on creating a desktop that is powerful enough to some local development with LLM’s away from the cloud. This post documents an experimental procedure in building a desktop machine using parts readily available from the Internet to see if we can do some AI development with LLM’s.

Below is a list of sourced parts from EBay, Amazon and CanadaComputers, a local computer store. All prices are in Canadian dollars and includes relevant taxes.

ItemsPrice
NVIDIA Tesla P40 24GB GDDR5 Graphics Card (sourced from EBay)$275.70
Lian-Li Case O11D Mini -X Mid Tower Black (sourced from Amazon)$168.49
GDSTIME 7530 75mm x 30mm 7cm 3in 12V DC Brushless Small Mini Blower Cooling Fan for Projector, Sleeve Bearing 2PIN (sourced from Amazon)$16.94
CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 64GB (4 x 32GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4-25600) C16 1.35V Desktop Memory – Black (sourced from Amazon)$350.28
AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 8-Core, 16-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Radeon Graphics (sourced from Amazon)$281.35
Noctua NH-D15 chromax.Black, Dual-Tower CPU Cooler (140mm, Black) (sourced from Amazon)$158.14
Asus AM4 TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi) ATX motherboard with PCIe 4.0, dual M.2, 12+2 with Dr. MOS power stage, HDMI, DP, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.2 Gen 2 and Aura Sync RGB lighting (sourced from Amazon)$305.09
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe M.2 Internal SSD (MZ-V7S2T0B/AM) (sourced from Amazon)$217.72
Lian Li PS SP850 850W APFC 80+ GOLD Full modular SFX Power Supply, Black (sourced from CanadaComputers)$225.99
Miscellaneous 120mm case fans and cables purchased from CanadaComputers$63.17

The total cost of the above materials is $2,062.87 CAD.

The Nvidia Tesla P40 (Pascal Architecture) specializes for Inferencing limited to INT8 based operations and does not support any FP related operations, so it may not be optimal for machine learning. However recent claims have been made that INT8 / Q8_0 quantization can yield some promising results. Let us see what our experimentation will yield once the machine is built.

A custom design 3D fan shroud has to be designed and 3D printed because the P40 does not natively come with active cooling. The P40 is originally designed to operate in a data center so cooling is provided by the server chassis. The custom shroud design is posted on Thingiverse and some photos of the finished shroud is shown below.

Note that M3 screws were used to secure the shroud to the P40 GPU card. The GDSTIME fan came with the screws.

I also made a mistake by initially getting a 1000W ATX power supply that ended not fitting the case, because the case is built for SFX and SFX-L power supplies. Lesson learned!

Once the machine is built I performed a 12 hours MemTest86+. It turned out that running the memory at the XMP profile was a bit unstable. I had to clock the memory back from its 3200MHz rating to 3000MHz.

After more than 12 hours with 3 passes.

The BIOS settings had to be configured so that Resize BAR is ON. This is required for the P40 to function properly.

Turn on Resize BAR

The next step is to install Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS with Nvidia GPU and CUDA drivers. The latter was quite challenging. The traditional way of installing using the package manager did not work. The best way is to goto this site, and pick the run file like below:

Beside to use the runfile

The run file had to be run in recovery mode using the console because the installation will fail if an X11 window manager is running. Also all previous Nvidia drivers had to be removed and purged. The Ubuntu default installation process may have installed them.

A detail that was left out of the instructions is to set the appropriate shell paths once the installation is completed. The following changes were made with /etc/profile.d so that all users can benefit. If the login shell is using zsh, then /etc/zsh/zshenv has to be changed. Without this change, commands such as nvcc and other CUDA toolkit commands will not be found. The same is true for CUDA related share libraries.

$cat /etc/profile.d/cuda-path.sh

export CUDA_HOME="/usr/local/cuda"

if [[ ! ${PATH} =~ .*cuda/bin.* ]]
then
    export PATH="${PATH}:/usr/local/cuda/bin"
fi

if [[ ! ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH} =~ .*cuda/lib64.* ]]
then
    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}:/usr/local/cuda/lib64"
fi

if [[ ! ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH} =~ .*/usr/local/lib.* ]]
then
    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}:/usr/local/lib"
fi

In this hardware configuration the AMD CPU has integrated graphics, and the P40 does not have any HDMI or DisplayPort connections. We need to change the X11 configuration so that it will only use the AMD CPU while dedicating the P40 GPU for CUDA based computation. The following configurations have to be made in /etc/X11/xorg.conf:

$cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Section "Device"
    Identifier      "AMD"
    Driver          "amdgpu"
    BusId           "PCI:10:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier      "AMD"
    Device          "AMD"
EndSection

The BusId can be obtained using the lspci command and be sure to change any hexadecimal notations to decimal in the configuration file. Without this xorg.conf configuration, the Ubuntu desktop will not start properly.

When everything is done properly, the command nvidia-smi should show the following:

Fri Aug 25 17:33:31 2023
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| NVIDIA-SMI 535.86.10              Driver Version: 535.86.10    CUDA Version: 12.2     |
|-----------------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
| GPU  Name                 Persistence-M | Bus-Id        Disp.A | Volatile Uncorr. ECC |
| Fan  Temp   Perf          Pwr:Usage/Cap |         Memory-Usage | GPU-Util  Compute M. |
|                                         |                      |               MIG M. |
|=========================================+======================+======================|
|   0  Tesla P40                      Off | 00000000:01:00.0 Off |                  Off |
| N/A   22C    P8               9W / 250W |      0MiB / 24576MiB |      0%      Default |
|                                         |                      |                  N/A |
+-----------------------------------------+----------------------+----------------------+

+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Processes:                                                                            |
|  GPU   GI   CI        PID   Type   Process name                            GPU Memory |
|        ID   ID                                                             Usage      |
|=======================================================================================|
|  No running processes found                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

The machine is now ready for user account configurations.

A quick video encoding using ffmpeg with hardware acceleration and CUDA was performed to test the GPU usage. It was a bit of a challenge to compile ffmpeg with CUDA support. This is when I found out that I was missing the PATH configurations made above.

For good measure, gpu-burn was run for an hour to ensure that the GPU is functioning correctly.

Next step is to download and setup the tool chain for LLM development. We will save that for another posting.

Update: The runfile (local) method did not preserve through a system update using apt. I had to re-perform the installation with deb (local) methodology. I guess after not using the GPU for the desktop, we no longer have to run the operating system in recovery mode to install using the deb (local) method.

Tesla Referral

The Tesla Electric Vehicles (EV’s) are getting really popular. Don’t take my word for it, check it out for yourself with the chart below:

Statistic: Number of Tesla vehicles delivered worldwide from 1st quarter 2016 to 2nd quarter 2023 (in 1,000 units) | Statista
Find more statistics at Statista

The above trajectory is pretty clear.

We have had our 2023 Model Y for almost three months now and are very happy with the driving and ownership experience. Many of our family, friends, and neighbours have been asking about the vehicle.

I have always referred them to my blog here for our account of the Tesla purchasing and driving experience.

Now for a very shameless plug. Anyone who is interested enough to start the path of purchase, below is my referral code:

Chinese Visa

We are all set! Today, I received my 9 years Chinese Q2 Visa, which allows multiple entries with each entry lasting up to 180 days. Getting this visa requires some perseverance and a little sweat. I am going to document my experience here so others can benefit.

The first step is to goto https://visaforchina.cn:

And click on the New Application Form.

Pick the first bullet if you are starting a brand new application.

Pick the last bullet if you are want to edit a previous application.

The application is online and you will have to gather your present passport information. There are other information which you will need to consider:

  • Old passport with a previous Chinese Visa; You will need to provide a photo copy of this;
  • Choose whether you want a tourist (L) visa or Q1/Q2 for visiting family members. There are other visa’s such as commercial, work, student exchange, etc. If you are visiting China, then typically it is either L or Q2. For details of all Chinese visa types, click here.
  • A copy of your flight itinerary and your hotel reservation or tour details if you are applying for a tourist (L) visa;
  • An invitation letter from a relative in China that you are visiting if you are applying for a Q2 visa. There is a specific form that you or your relative need to fill out. If you are applying for a Q2, then the relative also need to provide a copy of their passport and their Chinese ID card;
  • Also have all your previous and current citizenship information or landing papers information;
  • Some pointers when filling out the application:
    • If you are born in China, make sure you provide your Chinese name in section 1.1E;
    • If you were ever a Chinese citizen, you will have to provide past Chinese nationality information;
    • If you are not, then you will also have to provide an explanation and proof that you are not a Chinese citizen;
    • For Canadian citizens, the National ID number (1.6B) should be left blank;
    • Ensure that Place of issue (1.7D) and Issuing authority (1.7E) matches your Canadian passport;
  • Your work history;
  • Your education history;
  • Your immediate family information including father, mother, spouse, and children;
  • Your travel companion information;
  • A photo of yourself that meets their specification. I had to scan and adjust the photo for the purpose of the online application;

The full application is eight pages long!

Once your application is completed online, you should print / save a copy in PDF format. The web site will automatically prompt you to make an appointment. You cannot make an appointment unless you have a completed application online. The appointments are made in 30 minutes interval, and the place is called the University Centre, located at 393 University Avenue, Toronto, ON. Suite 1501:

There is parking in the building, but you will have to enter from Centre Avenue. We now have been to this building three times, and we did not have any issues finding a free spot in the underground parking at the University Centre.

There is a check list from the website, so make sure you bring all the required documents and photos.

When you arrive at the centre, you will have to line up to have your documentation triaged or inspected. This queue will be between 15 to 45 minutes depending on how busy they are. I suggest that you arrive 30 minutes prior to your appointment if not earlier. There will be people who have appointments lining up outside of the centre before they open at 9am.

Once your documentation and application pass the first round inspection, you will receive a ticket number, which you will have to observe on their wall mounted monitors that are hung around the centre. When your number is called, your documentation is further inspected and this time processed. If everything is okay, then you will receive another payment ticket number. Once again you wait for this number to appear on their monitors. This time to provide payment for the application. In return for your payment, you will get a pickup slip for your passport and visa.

For whatever reason, if your application did not past their first inspection, you will have to modify the application online and re-queue for triage. There are counters available at their office. If you bring your laptop, you can make changes to your online applications, and have it printed at Staples on the ground level at a building South of the University Centre.

Including ourselves, we also observed many people having issues with the applications and have to make modifications. Since I did not have my laptop with me, I had to come back the next day with the rectified application. I feel sorry for the seniors there who were not technically savvy and are lost in this process. If you have a senior who wants to get a visa to China, they WILL NEED help from someone who can complete the online application.

Our total effort include:

  • Getting a visa photo taken (0.5 – 1 hour);
  • Filling the application online, the first application took some time, subsequent applications will go a lot faster (4 – 6 hours);
  • Obtaining the invitation letter and have it filled out (0.5 – 1 hour);
  • First visit to the visa centre (2 hours + 2 hours of travel);
  • Second visit to the visa centre (2 hours +2 hours of travel);
  • Third visit to the visa centre to pickup visa (0.5 hour + 2 hours of travel);

Roughly speaking it was (for us) about 4 half days contributed to this exercise, and this did not include getting our Canadian passports renewed to ensure that we have the maximum time frame on the Q2 visa.

Get your mind psyched so that you are not too stressed in this endeavour!